in those days, the majority of the leader was mike mansfield from montana and his number two was robert byrd from west virginia. the number one in the senate now is harry reid from nevada and number one on the republican side is mitchell mcdonnell and his number two is robert bennett from utah. dick durbin from lynn's home state from illinois, it's actually unusual for a big state senator to actually have like a huge impact player in the senate because usually it's smaller and moderate size to get the power. >> sure. but does that variable play into a conversation about health care reform which is a 305 million person problem ultimately, particularly for both health care and the economics of providing that health care, does a model like this, is a model like this ill-suited to deal with a problem like health care, i guess? >> yes, this is when -- >> lynn, go ahead, first. >> when you have an each panel, it's hard to make a decision to get something done. i think it's asking for consensus troo early in the process by the small number of people when you have all of these issues swirling a